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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby audioave10 on 29 May 2009 07:24

Well, obviously I'm talking averages and estimates. For Intel
however true temps are a little hard to nail down. I use Real
Temp which has to have a "distance to TJ Max" configured. So,
just to be safe, keep an eye on it and if you don't get reboots
you're probably good to go. Do some heavy gaming to test it.
You might have a good CPU to OC...sounds that way. I went
from 3.16 to 3.42 with no extra voltage & no rise in temps. I could probably go alot more. The E8500 is usually good to about
4.2 ghz. It has always been good advice to OC through the bios
and not through a software program. Maybe those programs
are finally reliable.

Vintar...your temps and volts are very good. The 1:1 ratio is the
way to go with the standard RAM you have.
I'm careful because when the first new Intel 45nm chips came
out...Speed Fan temps had to have another 15c added to them to be accurate. The new temp sensors had to have NEW soft-ware versions written for them. After heavy gaming you might go into the bios and check temps there to be sure you're getting
correct readings. Or, check that if you ever get a reboot.
Put NEWSA on there and make that bitch scream!
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby nandersen on 29 May 2009 07:44

audioave10 wrote:Put NEWSA on there and make that bitch scream!

I think that the only thing screaming will be VINTAR's VGA - I have a 9800 GTX @720MHz and it still can't handle SoC on MAX if I install photoreal zone and particle enhancement. I get something like 17 FPS in some areas of Army Warehouses. That's with a resolution of 1680x1050.
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby audioave10 on 29 May 2009 08:25

Yea...it is a GPU game...he needs a CPU game...maybe GTA4?
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Postby VINTAR on 29 May 2009 09:31

Nanderson, yes i will defo be buying a new computer in two years, i was just thinking about resale value, i can get a half decent i7 setup for around £580, does that sound cheap? I think i will have to put newsa on and see. Is there a program that shows temps and speed on screen while playing? Audioave, no worries about 17 fps, i used to run at 12fps with my old fx5500 agp :-)
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby Grump642 on 29 May 2009 13:43

Riva Tuner shows temps on screen. It also shows CPU temps after installing a plugin. As for the shortened life thing, that really only applies if you start increasing the voltage. When Intel fabs their chips, a batch will typically yield some low speed, some high speed, and some middle speed chips. If they have a high demand for low speed chips, and they do not have enough, they will take some middle speed chips and set set their speed down. The more mature(old) the fab process, the more this happens. Because a mature fab process yields a lot more higher end parts. That's why newer parts from a mature process, TYPICALLY, OC more. With your voltage set on auto, your BIOS will not take the voltage out of spec. As Nanderson said" Don't worry, be happy!!"
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby audioave10 on 29 May 2009 17:37

Ok you guys win...but Nanderson..."weak thinking"? You could of
at least said "conservative". :-?
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Postby nandersen on 29 May 2009 17:49

audioave10 wrote:Ok you guys win...but Nanderson..."weak thinking"? You could of
at least said "conservative". :-?

Sure audiowave, if that's what you prefer :)
Be conservative = don't overclock :P

Now, I'm not overclocking my new HW (yet) and guess what: it is POWER HUNGRY!
180W - 190W idle with my 20'' monitor.
When gaming it rises to something like 300W!
Is that what they call a power saving processor? :-o
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby audioave10 on 29 May 2009 18:02

I almost always overclock...I am now. I'm about to go much more. :mozilla_smile:

A quad w/a boatload of RAM I would think does need more power.

VINTAR...this thread is the ultimate for YOUR motherboard...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... p?t=205132
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby nandersen on 29 May 2009 19:14

audioave10 wrote:I almost always overclock...I am now. I'm about to go much more. :mozilla_smile:

With the hardware available these days it's almost a waste not to OC :D
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Postby VINTAR on 29 May 2009 22:59

Well ive just clocked my cpu to 3.5ghz. Memory running at about 946. Doing an everest stress test now. Should i be watching the cpu temp or the cores? How do i check ram temps.
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby audioave10 on 30 May 2009 08:17

Just watch all 4 cores...its possible to have 1 core fail.
RAM temps aren't usually an issue...if you get a blue-screen, its
probably because the RAM doesn't have enough volts. If 2.0 volts is the rated max that may be all you can go.
Decided to up mine a little more through the bios:
E8500 - 3.610mhz
RAM at - 912mhz
380 x 9.5
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Postby VINTAR on 30 May 2009 13:07

Did the stress test for a while. Cpu temp was 45c and peak core one 58c, two 55c, three 56c, four 54c. At what temp should i start worrying? Mobo was 39c. Just worried that if i clock the bus more than the 467 that it is now and expect to run the ram at 1:1 they would be under too much pressure. Looks like i need new ram to see where my cpu can go.
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Re: Help with a laptop

Postby nandersen on 30 May 2009 13:40

No worries with these temps. Remember that it's unusual for all cores to be under full load in normal usage and gaming so your temperatures will normally be even lower.

From my old experience with electronics I remember that most commercial integrated circuits were rated at 0-70C operating temperature range but in practice they often worked very well at higher temperatures also. I can't say that this is the same for CPUs but at least you get the idea about chips in general.

Note that "operating temperature range" doesn't mean that they break when that range is exceeded.
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby Grump642 on 30 May 2009 14:11

If you just want to see where your CPU can go, just lower your Memory divider. Normally you OC by 1. Find max FSB-you do this by lowering the multiplier for the cpu and lowering the mem divider. When you start raising the FSB, your mem and cpu stay within spec.2. After you find the max FSB, drop the bus speed to normal and bring cpu multiplier back up. Leave the mem divider set low. With cpu multiplier on default, start bringing FSB up. It SHOULD fail your stress test before hitting your max FSB. Once you know these 2 max values, you have to find the max memory speed.3. Using 1:1 ratio, after dropping the CPU multiplier again to take it out of the mix, start bringing you FSB up to find your max mem speed. Remember, low latency is nice, but high speed is better. So when you find your max mem speed, try loosening your timings and try for more speed. You can also try a little more vdimm. Rule of thumb is never add more then 10% voltage to core or dimm.
As for the 1:1 ratio on the memory, forget it. You lose nothing by going to a 4:5 or 5:6. The idea is to get the whole to run as close to all the maxes of possible. I think Ket covered some of this in another thread.
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby audioave10 on 30 May 2009 16:55

I agree...your temps are STILL good but most guys on the OC threads stop when they start hitting 60c to 65c (they may back down just a tad after that). Usually the 1:1 RAM divider is best
used if your RAM is weak-then it doesn't stop your CPU OC so soon. Sounds like your RAM is strong stuff.
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Postby VINTAR on 31 May 2009 09:31

Ram topped out at 980. Not bad for just plain old transcend ram. Got the bsod after that. I think i will need faster ram to push the cpu clock more. I cant find where to set the memory divider, only the multiplier which has the lowest setting of two. So at the moment the bus is 480. Memory running 960 and cpu at 480x7.5=3600. My highest multiple is 7.5 so no chance of dropping the bus. Does anyone have the same bios that knows how to set the divides? Its award modular bios 6.0 f9
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Re: Help with a laptop

Postby nandersen on 31 May 2009 09:37

Guys could you post how much power your PCs consume with and without your monitor at idle/load?
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Re: Building a new PC? Look here first.

Postby audioave10 on 31 May 2009 14:31

nanderson...how can I do that? Is there some kind of software
you use to do that?
looking for software to do that but not yet finding anything...

Vintar...great OC...my bios is different & mine didn't come with
Easytune6. You better stress-test that first to make sure its
STABLE.
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Postby VINTAR on 31 May 2009 15:31

Thanks audioave. Yeah, pretty decent oc for a first timer, but then thats mainly down to hardware capabilities and the help from you guys. Nanderson, ill gladly oblige but i also havent a clue how to do it. Does everest give voltage readings?
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